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▲ARIA, the UK's Bet to Build Scientific Revolutionsasimov.press
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AnotherGoodName 3 hours ago [-]
Surprised there wasn’t already something like this!

I just assumed every nation has a government funded cutting edge research institute. Crazy not to. Australia has the over 100 year old csiro for example. Paid for itself many times over (eg. viruses that kill rabbits, high tech breakthroughs like wifi, selective crop and livestock breeding).

v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
Innovate UK has been around for years https://www.ukri.org/opportunity/

And lots of other grant services and loans.

Most with very little in the way of measures of success... As will be the case with Aria I imagine.

There were large COVID scandals with funding directed to government ministers mates, how many of these get awarded to their mates too.

hdivider 31 minutes ago [-]
A step in the right direction.

Wish the UK would have their version of the SBIR/STTR program too -- and open to all, not just Oxbridge and other elites. Mandatory small business set-asides, especially for large defense procurement, has outsized effects on innovation.

v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
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PaulHoule 43 minutes ago [-]
Programmable plants are a thing. People who work on them are moving into the offices next door from mine

https://cropps.cornell.edu/

YOShInOn shows me a lot of articles on synthetic biology and one major theme is that people have figured out a lot about how gene regulation works in Eukaryotes (e.g. what that "junk DNA" does) which is going to make it possible to make much better GMOs then we've had so far. (It's not just getting a gene into a plant, it's getting that gene to be expressed vigorously)

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bee_rider 3 hours ago [-]
Is nature woke now, too? Why not, I guess.
v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
The UK is broke and in debt.

The Prime minister and Chancellor spend their time going cap in hand to BlackRock and others begging for money.

One spends money on speculative projects when they have money to spare.

CraigJPerry 2 hours ago [-]
>> The UK is broke and in debt.

This is nonsensical. Public debt is nothing like private debt, you can't apply prudent financial advice from the context of an individual to that of a currency issuer. The difference being that they are a currency issuer. The Bank of England is a great starting point: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/how-is-money-crea...

Key points:

You can't save in a currency you issue. If a state issues its own fiat currency, it does not need to save in that currency because:

    - It cannot run out of its own currency.
    - It can always credit accounts via fiscal or monetary operations.
    - “Saving” in the conventional sense implies a constraint that doesn’t apply to sovereign issuers.

Every single pound the UK gov spends, is a brand new pound that's never existed before - NB: it wasn't collected by tax. From the Bank of England: “The central bank can create money in the form of central bank reserves by lending to the banking sector… or by purchasing assets. This money is new—it did not exist before.” https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-... - that is to say, government spending results in the creation of new money, rather than the recycling of pre-existing tax revenues.

The limits to pay attention to are real resources in the economy, not money; you can have all the money in the world but if you can't procure steel then you simply can't build that bridge.

v5v3 2 hours ago [-]
You clearly know zero about money.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/05/28/britain-no-m...

pinoy420 29 minutes ago [-]
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gerdesj 12 minutes ago [-]
You clearly don't understand how country/nation finances work, especially when you have your own currency.

It's not like a personal finance regime.

"Fiat" means "let it be". All you have to do is make sure that everyone else believes you. That is also largely the basis behind a public offering for a company.

Keep up!

brokencode 3 hours ago [-]
This ARIA program’s budget is apparently only about 800 million pounds, which is a tiny fraction of UK’s overall budget of over a trillion pounds.

These types of highly speculative projects are inherently risky, making them unappealing for profit-driven investors. That’s why it’s important for non-profit organizations and governments to fund them.

Scientific breakthroughs don’t happen in a vacuum. They are the product of dedicated research requiring years of consistent funding.

v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
Cumulative interest is a b*tch though, put that 800m into the debt.

You say the UK has a budget of a trillion, but around 70% comes from consumer spending. As consumers have been hooked on debt and hit with annual increases in every indirect tax they can think of.

sealeck 2 hours ago [-]
> Cumulative interest is a b*tch though, put that 800m into the debt.

Do you think that the return on investment into science is really less than 4.5% (interest rate on gilts) per year?

> You say the UK has a budget of a trillion, but around 70% comes from consumer spending.

70% of government expenditure is consumer spending??? This statement is nonsensical.

brokencode 2 hours ago [-]
I am not familiar with UK’s debt situation and am not disputing that they may need to balance the budget.

But I don’t think the 0.08% line item for scientific research is where I’d start.

Science is already deeply underfunded despite a disproportionately large impact on society in my opinion.

v5v3 2 hours ago [-]
It's not 0.08% in isolation, A further £20 billion a year was announced recently.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-backs-uk-rd-wi...

tom_ 3 hours ago [-]
Ahh, something approximating a substantive criticism! You should have put this in your first comment.
tim333 3 hours ago [-]
It's not true apart from 'in debt' though.
v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
External debt by country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_externa...

BlackRock as one example https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/blackrock-urges-uks-starmer-...

UK stock market has failed https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/are-uk-stock-markets-facin...

Now 10th in world for gdp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PP...

Prisons declared full, shoplifting pseudo-legalised. I could go on and on.

40% of the worlds dirty money goes through UK. It's USP is now mainly money laundering

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dirty-money-laundering...

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foldr 2 hours ago [-]
If you look at the debt as a percentage of GDP or percentage of total wealth (both columns in the table, but not the default sort order) then the UK isn’t an outlier. Singapore has more external debt, for example.
neepi 3 hours ago [-]
As someone who works on money in the UK this is why I work on money in the UK.
v5v3 2 hours ago [-]
A well known 'brain drain' occurs in London, where instead of doing other things like homegrown Startups, the finest minds are instead lured into banking.

You could have created a unicorn company by now my friend, but instead you are writing python code in excel, or automating regulatory submissions and investor communications or something else similar.

PaulHoule 41 minutes ago [-]
Alternately London draws in people who know about bond trading and such from all over the world. It's the only financial center that holds a candle to NY and the great thing is that the time zones are just close enough it's reasonable to live in one city and work the financial markets in the other city.
neepi 1 hours ago [-]
I consider my job to be a form of moral good: using up their budget so they don’t spend it on something nefarious. I don’t think they even know what I do.
v5v3 3 hours ago [-]
Watch the CCP spokesman give China's view of the UK.

It is brutal

https://x.com/LBC/status/1701292018037825571?t=WMi0Hys_vnYfj...

meroes 1 hours ago [-]
And the way to claw back rank on the world scene surely takes investing, and investing in science is among the best options for long term returns.
foldr 2 hours ago [-]
What’s the plan then? To compete with China on battery technology by spending less money on scientific research? China at least gets the concept of a long term investment.
v5v3 2 hours ago [-]
What's the probability of success that the UK could start a battery tech company today and compete?

The Japanese, Koreans and China have been spending billions over last decade.

The UKs second biggest industry is entertainment and thats because they lured Hollywood over via generous tax breaks.(Which Trump has sid he will be addressing).

UK needs to pay down debt, invest in education and hope the next generation of talent choose to remain in the UK and not leave for another country.

foldr 2 hours ago [-]
Yes, the countries that have been making the most progress on research in a given area tend to be the ones that invest more money in it. I’m baffled that the lesson to be drawn from this is that the UK should invest less than its competitors.
sgt101 2 hours ago [-]
Well, a Marxist Leninist analyses the global scene and concludes that communism is inevitable.

We've been here before.

v5v3 2 hours ago [-]
He said that China and the world don't see the UK as a big player anymore. Which is true.

UK has it's legacy advantages, UN permanent seat, nuclear weapons etc but the empire is long gone and it grows weaker by the year.

After the war, Germany was at its lowest point and the UK squandered it's lead and fell below Germany.

All of Europe + USA failed to bring Russia to it's knees no matter what they tried.

The world is changing and in the new world order UK is slipping down the ladder.

beej71 2 hours ago [-]
Smart countries always spare money for speculative research.
Yoric 52 minutes ago [-]
Do you really think governments should stop investing in the future?
andrepd 2 hours ago [-]
Why is it always "Blackrock" in these borderline economic-illiterate rants? My guess is just that people see "Blackrock 7.23%" or whatever on the stockholder list of every major company, and thus reduce that Blackrock = Elders of Sion or some shit.
GHanku 1 hours ago [-]
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pinoy420 30 minutes ago [-]
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thrance 3 hours ago [-]
How is that "woke"? I understand, you wouldn't want to engage in thoughtcrime. Better to label anything related to ecology as "woke" and not even engage with it.
timewizard 30 minutes ago [-]
He just engaged with it out in the open. You're the one refusing to.
tomrod 2 hours ago [-]
Right? This is brain rot taken to an extreme.