That article says that the Rhode Island Marine Archaeology Project didn’t agree with the identification. This new article is about a published article on the discovery. The articles are totally different.
madaxe_again 9 hours ago [-]
I read it not so much as a disagreement over identification but over publication rights, which is the norm in academia.
bredren 2 hours ago [-]
> who said the finding was “premature” and a “breach of contract”, claiming that it was the lead organisation for the study
“Premature” and “breach of contract” are very different things.
I wonder what additional work was done so as to find that announcement now, years later, is okay.
duxup 4 days ago [-]
I'm sure the rename had good reason but I can't imagine going from a name like "HMS Endeavour", what a great name, to "Lord Sandwich" ... in modern times that sounds like some lighthearted forum username.
linksnapzz 3 days ago [-]
The HMS Lord Sandwich's namesake is almost certainly former 1st Lord of the Admiralty John Montagu, the 4th Earl of Sandwich && person that the dish is actually named after.
jonstewart 11 hours ago [-]
He was also head of the British navy ("First Lord of the Admiralty") at the time and a great supporter of Cook's, so there's even a closer connection specific to the Endeavor. Cook named Hawaii the "Sandwich Islands" after him.
The Earl of Sandwich was not a naval officer; the First Lord of the Admiralty was the chair of the Board of Admiralty, which was a committee formed to undertake the duties of the office of Lord High Admiral. The Board of Admiralty had responsibility for the administration of the Royal Navy. Operational command was (and remains) the responsibility of the Sea Lords; the most senior serving officer of the Royal Navy is the First Sea Lord.
I love that they also marked up "Sandwich" as a tag, to make it easier for you to explore other articles they had published about sandwiches.
teeray 11 hours ago [-]
It also likely gave us Sandwich, MA, which consequently gave us the police there, who are literally “Sandwich Police”
potato3732842 10 hours ago [-]
Which is doubly funny because it's a tourist/retirement town with a larger than it needs police department (whole region is this way, not just this town) so they inevitably fill their time with with activities befitting the name.
Electricniko 8 hours ago [-]
Are you saying the excessive number of police results in absurd enforcement practices, or are you saying their officers are large because they spend all day confiscating sandwiches?
louthy 4 hours ago [-]
Yes
pcthrowaway 11 hours ago [-]
Or you can find an art gallery next to a Subway, where Sandwich artists work side by side.
bryanlarsen 11 hours ago [-]
Same reason we get modern stupid names like "Crypto.com Arena". Those who pay the money and/or give the orders get to choose the name, and they like putting their own names on things.
WalterBright 2 hours ago [-]
In Seattle we have the "Climate Pledge Arena"
WalterBright 2 hours ago [-]
Even better:
"Sir Osis of Liver"
colechristensen 42 minutes ago [-]
Only when you forget that "sandwich" was a name of a place first (and the person with a title associated with it ". Putting stuff between bread is named after a person and may well have been poking fun at him originally.
loloquwowndueo 11 hours ago [-]
Hey at least it wasn’t Boaty McBoatface
helsinkiandrew 11 hours ago [-]
At that time the Royal Navy had in excess of 500 active ships and creating names must have taken some effort - there was a HMS Terrible and HMS Fanny.
3. exciting terror, awe, or great fear; dreadful; awful.
4. formidably great.
I think it's a perfectly suitable name for a warship. The notion of "terrible" describing the inferior quality of something is a much more recent meaning, I believe.
HeyLaughingBoy 6 hours ago [-]
Yeah, but compare "HMS Fanny" to "HMS Indefatigable."
Especially considering the British colloquial usage of "fanny" I think someone was in a particularly good mood that day.
WalterBright 2 hours ago [-]
The dreadnought class of warships have the best moniker.
ceejayoz 11 hours ago [-]
Don’t forget HMS Cockchafer, Spanker, and Tickler.
moron4hire 10 hours ago [-]
The bigger question is if making a Sandwich is considered Cooking.
collingreen 10 hours ago [-]
Slow clap
wpollock 8 hours ago [-]
The even bigger question is, does a hot dog count as a sandwich?
Maybe they did a public poll to name the vessel...
lordsandwich 8 hours ago [-]
Hey, I resemble that remark.
The Endeavor is not to be confused with Shackleton's ship the Endurance (as I had in my mind), which went down after getting mangled by pack ice and never got the chance to be officially renamed the "Lord Hamburger".
CoastalCoder 7 hours ago [-]
Has anyone found a clear indication of the wreck's location?
There's been a lot of interesting ship activity in Narraganset Bay lately, at least as seen when crossing the Jamestown / Newport bridges. I'm curious if any of it's related to that wreck.
app134 4 hours ago [-]
I don't believe they have made it public.
I worked this wreck with RIMAP and had to sign an NDA before boating out, but that was back in 2020
Hilift 6 hours ago [-]
The map shows a location of a line of deliberately scuttled ships to block the harbor between Rose Island and Battery Park. Most of the ships were salvaged, the Endeavour was not.
CoastalCoder 1 hours ago [-]
Interesting, thanks. I guess I was probably barking up the wrong tree then.
Most of the interesting ship activity I've been seeing lately is further west and north.
And URI GSO's research vessel has been closer to its main dock, which shouldn't have surprised me one little bit.
> Lord Sandwich was one of thirteen vessels scuttled (deliberately sunk) to act as a submerged blockade
That's a pretty sucky end for a vessel that made so much history.
anonymous344 11 hours ago [-]
how tf u can make website so awful to the mobile user?
fluidcruft 11 hours ago [-]
Seems fine on Firefox Android. Possibly uBlock helps there are a bunch of empty white things so dunno.
jen729w 11 hours ago [-]
A once-decent newspaper whose broadsheet I used to read in the late 90s. Long gone the way of the Daily Mail et. al., alas. I see the Indie's URL now and don't even bother.
pomian 6 hours ago [-]
Yup. Switch to Firefox or fennec and use ublock. Clean story. Even can use text mode.
pxmpxm 11 hours ago [-]
TBH not a ton better on the desktop...
freedomben 10 hours ago [-]
My parent brain read this as Captain Hook instead of Captain Cook and I've gotta say, I'm a little disappointed
BurningFrog 9 hours ago [-]
Now I finally realize why the character is named Captain Hook!
parpfish 5 hours ago [-]
It’s just a coincidence that he has a hook for a hand. He was Mr Hook for years before that accident where the croc bit his hand off.
mediumsmart 10 hours ago [-]
You are not supposed to cook a sandwich
HeyLaughingBoy 6 hours ago [-]
Panini, anyone? I take it you've never had a good Cuban sandwich, then.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/feb/03/capta...
“Premature” and “breach of contract” are very different things.
I wonder what additional work was done so as to find that announcement now, years later, is okay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Montagu,_4th_Earl_of_Sand...
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/terrible
3. exciting terror, awe, or great fear; dreadful; awful.
4. formidably great.
I think it's a perfectly suitable name for a warship. The notion of "terrible" describing the inferior quality of something is a much more recent meaning, I believe.
Especially considering the British colloquial usage of "fanny" I think someone was in a particularly good mood that day.
http://cuberule.com has solved this question definitively.
The Endeavor is not to be confused with Shackleton's ship the Endurance (as I had in my mind), which went down after getting mangled by pack ice and never got the chance to be officially renamed the "Lord Hamburger".
There's been a lot of interesting ship activity in Narraganset Bay lately, at least as seen when crossing the Jamestown / Newport bridges. I'm curious if any of it's related to that wreck.
I worked this wreck with RIMAP and had to sign an NDA before boating out, but that was back in 2020
Most of the interesting ship activity I've been seeing lately is further west and north.
And URI GSO's research vessel has been closer to its main dock, which shouldn't have surprised me one little bit.
That's a pretty sucky end for a vessel that made so much history.